tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post1696382791696957753..comments2023-03-24T05:43:17.732-05:00Comments on Everyday Underwear: Went To Black Church Tonight... Am I Supposed To Be Black?Hiyacynthiahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07648329765845940034noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-51390024099728712292012-04-22T19:05:17.285-05:002012-04-22T19:05:17.285-05:00Augie, thank you for the comment. Our family went ...Augie, thank you for the comment. Our family went again this morning and we had a great time. We really love it!Cindy Brownhttp://www.everydayunderwear.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-48726573473496394392012-04-22T04:10:41.963-05:002012-04-22T04:10:41.963-05:00Cindy, I appreciate that you were honest, yes call...Cindy, I appreciate that you were honest, yes calling a church a Black church is appropriate., but what really matters is that the Holy Spirit met you there, God knows his business even when we don't know ours. Augie HicksAughicksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-25009318119312438672012-04-21T16:41:29.790-05:002012-04-21T16:41:29.790-05:00Thanks so much!Thanks so much!Cindy Brownhttp://www.everydayunderwear.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-31503624901530545822012-04-21T16:31:43.445-05:002012-04-21T16:31:43.445-05:00 Hi there,
I'm happy to hear you found a chur... Hi there,<br /> I'm happy to hear you found a church you felt comfortable in.timethiefnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-44566556456280090472012-04-21T14:48:35.915-05:002012-04-21T14:48:35.915-05:00Well, you have a resounding "Amen" from ...Well, you have a resounding "Amen" from me, that is for sure :)Cindy Brownhttp://www.everydayunderwear.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-62628245635290985012012-04-21T14:12:16.153-05:002012-04-21T14:12:16.153-05:00What I loved most about this essay was your willin...What I loved most about this essay was your willingness to share your apprehension in stepping outside your comfort zone and the joy you felt in being welcomed unconditionally. It's wonderful to discover that no matter where we come from, what we look like, how we decide to worship (or not) that there are far more similarities between people than differences. I betcha in no time you won't even think of your new house of worship as "black church," but simply "church." Can I get an amen to that? Norinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-382301495294388442012-04-21T11:48:36.502-05:002012-04-21T11:48:36.502-05:00I am confused by this comment. To be very clear to...I am confused by this comment. To be very clear to the readers, I did not say, "I was the only white person." I do not know who said that. The commenter said that somebody else said that. I said that we were not the only white people. I'm not sure what you were getting at there.<br /><br />Additionally, my tagline was dual meaning. The first meaning was to indicate that they may have looked differently upon me, being a white newcomer in a predominantly black congregation and would they accept me? It was sort of poking fun at the possibility that the black church might be prejudiced against me, which in all reality, I completely knew they would NOT be and that they would not care about my skin color. It was meant to be light-hearted poke at myself, not at the black community.<br /><br />The second tagline meaning was to implicate that I resonated so well with this group of people that it made me think, "Perhaps I was black in a previous life," or was meant to be born black and somehow came out of white parents instead. Again, a light-hearted poke at myself in trying to figure out who I really am, which is an ongoing journey in life.<br /><br />I have found that when people read me, they don't always get what I mean or what my intent was and that's unfortunate, but it is also the nature of the beast when you are a writer - and I get that.<br /><br />Thank you for your comments and please don't be afraid to visit again :0)Cindy Brownhttp://www.everydayunderwear.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-1426339228796701432012-04-21T11:27:09.408-05:002012-04-21T11:27:09.408-05:00So sorry to not make my point clear. The church I ...So sorry to not make my point clear. The church I used to attend had a really neat coffee bar (technically, they called it a cafe) with lattes, smoothies, etc. where everyone could congregate, standing or sitting at tables or on couches and playing a game of chess in the nook, and visit and have a cup of joe at their leisure during church hours. I did reference this coffee bar in the first paragraph. This new church was very bare bones and did not have a coffee bar.Cindy Brownhttp://www.everydayunderwear.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-912364951870082762012-04-21T10:34:44.096-05:002012-04-21T10:34:44.096-05:00Yes, this went out there after "I was the onl...Yes, this went out there after "I was the only white person" but you did anticipate something like this with the "Am I supposed to be black" tagline...didn't ya?Cindy...againnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-21385314081259771122012-04-21T10:31:18.088-05:002012-04-21T10:31:18.088-05:00Don't recall the part about chillin with God i...Don't recall the part about chillin with God including a coffee bar. Guess I don't get your point, does the atmosphere drive the conversation? Cindy Warbanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-18967569462502476222012-04-21T09:32:39.009-05:002012-04-21T09:32:39.009-05:00Awww, don't let "unsubscribed" burst...Awww, don't let "unsubscribed" burst your happy bubble! I sure didn't. I know what I meant and it wasn't at all what "unsubscribed" said, it was what you felt when you read the post. Thank you, Judy, for stopping by and leaving your comment. I appreciate it very much :0) <br /><br />Subject: [everydayunderwear] Re: Everyday Underwear: Went To Black Church Tonight... Am I Supposed To Be Black?Cindy Brownhttp://www.everydayunderwear.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-13059917018075757822012-04-21T07:16:39.168-05:002012-04-21T07:16:39.168-05:00HI Cindy, I loved your blog...it made me feel conn...HI Cindy, I loved your blog...it made me feel connected and raring to go to this black church filled with love and the spirit. Then "unsubscribed" butted in and burst my happy bubble. I'm so glad your family has found a great church of loving people.Judy Wattershttp://www.judywatters.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-16041921505208635412012-04-20T22:23:24.150-05:002012-04-20T22:23:24.150-05:00Lynne, I love what you said! Now that is the kind ...Lynne, I love what you said! Now that is the kind of appropriate wrist slapping I can appreciate and take as honest and good critique! Thank you so much! I am actually going to be doing a sort of follow-up post this next time and I would like to include a summary of your comment and highlight you as an example of a kind and proper comment of this type.Cindy Brownhttp://www.everydayunderwear.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-46125609273586301442012-04-20T19:14:39.672-05:002012-04-20T19:14:39.672-05:00Hahaha, as a fellow black girl stuck in white body...Hahaha, as a fellow black girl stuck in white body, I get you sister. I never noticed if I was the only white girl but I noticed if I was around only white people—like the first time I went to Burlington VT twenty-five years ago. Scary. <br /><br />And not being color blind doens't make one a racist or a bigot any more than noticing someone is Italian, blond, or different in any one of the myriad ways we humans differ from one another. Noting that the congregation is black is a classification not a qualification, your intent to demarcate this church from your previous was pretty clear.<br /><br />I wonder if Unsubscribing opened up a dialog with her white "friends" (she has no respect for) to discuss her views, to educate and enlighten them or just dismissed them as she does you. Shaming people for making mistakes does nothing to end misconceptions, bias, or discrimination.<br /><br />This attitude just perpetuates the fear of being perceived as insensitive to multicultural differences and keeps us from talking. We are unable to ask questions for fear of being accused of bias, nor point out to others when they've perhaps made an inappropriate comment (yours fell more towards stereotyping "They"—not all black people sing, amen or otherwise behave as if they are related to Madea, and you needn't be black to feel a kinship to Oprah, or support Obama "4 more years!")<br /><br />You don't know unless someone tells you. So Cindy, I felt your excitement and open-hearted joy at find a place you connected with. I get using the label black church-because that gives me an instant identifier along with your other descriptors which paints a picture of a particular type of church, and congregation. Stereotyped and slightly insensitive sure but out of malice or prejudice? Certainly not.<br /><br />Could you have painted that picture without race? Sure, Baptist, enthusiastic, warm, embracing, welcoming...Perhaps your new holy rollers would welcome a discussion on how our unconscious bias can be counter acted with open dialog and exposure to other culture.Lynne Favreaunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-12778487107107703112012-04-20T16:45:48.289-05:002012-04-20T16:45:48.289-05:00???? Boy, you sure twisted that post way out of pr...???? Boy, you sure twisted that post way out of proportion! Sorry to rile you up, "unsubscribing" (whoever you anonymously are). I guess you are talking to me. You suddenly go into calling me "her" and "the blogger" in your tirade. Please send me your ruffled feathers for my feather duster. And lighten up! Sorry to see you leave Everyday Underwear and sorry that you took the post in a negative way. As you can see from the other comments, my true fans "get" me. Spread the love, spread the love! Sheesh.Cindy Brownhttp://www.everydayunderwear.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-47437033716364255252012-04-20T16:02:10.452-05:002012-04-20T16:02:10.452-05:00As African-american, this blog post reminds me of ...As African-american, this blog post reminds me of when my European American or white friends would visit or end up in Harlem. Typically, the comments would be along these lines--- "I was the only WHITE person in<br /> ( audible gasp) Harlem."Listening to those kind of comments was always painful and sad for me. Painful--because these are people who think of themselves as liberal--a word by the way, that I detest, and open-hearted. If all they could see out of gorgeous cultural-rich historical Harlem was how someone else's skin color measured against theirs---meant they were as narrow as a carrot. And sad, because I cannot connect with what I identified those comments to be--- a passive aggressive form of racism--and that meant distancing from those people. The sadness also meant--we as human beings have not evolved as much as we would like to believe.Specifically with this post-it's the anthropological-type observation of other human beings--not .. say-- Garifunas--Afro-Carribean in Guatemala or Post-wall East-Berliners but these people are Americans..and her post borders on condescension. The blogger lets us know --she's pc--After all she has "black friends" (some of my best friends are black) She uses a 60's terminology "whitey"-- an inflammatory word and suggests it's widely used among blacks--which is false.her observance--- "Black People Actually Show Genuine Emotion!! They Were Nice! Who Knew Black People Could Welcome- Other Races~~~~~~~~~~~FYI--There ARE actually churches--African American East, --African Methodist....etcbut the blogger was uninterested in that---she was more interested in being condescending about black identity--her poking fun was commentary on that issue. ~~~~~~~~~~ I don't care if "they" talk that way. Who is "they"?? Down south--people of either color --talk that way. so so sad.I am actually going to be sure that I am unsubscribed from this blog.I know prejudice exists--but I do not want it in my inbox. unsubscribingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-54373173403549171082012-04-20T15:58:03.481-05:002012-04-20T15:58:03.481-05:00Sometimes there can be a joy in embracing the art ...Sometimes there can be a joy in embracing the art and diversity found in cultures other than the one we grew up in. That is where we find respect for the humanity of others. And after a while, when we've looked at hundreds of interesting and diverse cultures, we realize that there is only one race; the human one. Everything else about the existence of multiple races is a myth. But just because it is mythology does not keep it from being believed. And that it is believed, there will always be dominators who will exploit it. The only way to stop the exploitation is to pull back the curtain, and unmask the Wizard of Oz.Vannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-25449238933744771352012-04-20T15:42:20.541-05:002012-04-20T15:42:20.541-05:00Tina, I so agree! And thanks so much for stopping ...Tina, I so agree! And thanks so much for stopping by Everyday Underwear :) <br />Cindy Brown, Humor WriterIf you need prescription medication to treat B.O.Y.B. (Bored-Off-Your-Butt)syndrome, please check out my humor blog, Everyday Underwear...http://www.everydayunderwear.com/ <br />Subject: [everydayunderwear] Re: Everyday Underwear: Went To Black Church Tonight... Am I Supposed To Be Black?Cindy Brownhttp://www.everydayunderwear.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-12670752840466198662012-04-20T15:27:14.521-05:002012-04-20T15:27:14.521-05:00Hi, Cindy--I'm new to your blog, but I am on S...Hi, Cindy--I'm new to your blog, but I am on She Writes, where I found the link to this post.<br /><br />I think if you felt God there--if you felt acceptance and love and comfort--then it's the place for you. Those are the most important things to me when it comes to church.Tina Barbournoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-10513527370757041062012-04-20T12:19:53.221-05:002012-04-20T12:19:53.221-05:00Hello, Brian. Thanks for the comment! I have actua...Hello, Brian. Thanks for the comment! I have actually been to all of those types of churches. I suppose I should explain that I live in a predominantly white area, so that is why it was worth a blog post, in my opinion. There is a small black community there and I was kind of "in their territory," if you will.<br /><br />I have been to all of the types of churches you mentioned, but with predominantly white parishioners. The funny thing is, I don't even know what denomination this church is and I wouldn't care much either. The last church I loved was technically "Baptist," but it always felt like it was non-denominational. I don't get into the technicalities of being a believer. That's not my style. This one felt "real" and that is what draws me...Cindy Brownhttp://www.everydayunderwear.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-70661035202760818002012-04-20T11:35:08.681-05:002012-04-20T11:35:08.681-05:00So why does it have to be a black church? Can'...So why does it have to be a black church? Can't it be Pentecostal, Methodist, Baptist, New Assembly of God or even Catholic instead? Sure the people that attend a church define it, but their skin color doesn't have to label it, right? <br /><br />If it feels like home and you all feel good there, go, do, enjoy!<br /><br />BTW - anyone I've ever talked to that went to a black church has had the same experience - they were floored by how accepting the people were.Brianhttp://bikinfool.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-65933338312649536442012-04-20T08:43:51.573-05:002012-04-20T08:43:51.573-05:00I love my Everyday Underwear peeps. Awesome, Kelly...I love my Everyday Underwear peeps. Awesome, Kelly! Thanks for the comment!Cindy Brownhttp://www.everydayunderwear.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-79762381390352639512012-04-20T08:25:30.605-05:002012-04-20T08:25:30.605-05:00I've never been one to see skin color, so I sa...I've never been one to see skin color, so I say if you like the church, it doesn't matter if it's predominantly black or white. It's a good church. :)KellyHashwaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-9984315129194367442012-04-19T21:42:20.449-05:002012-04-19T21:42:20.449-05:00Oh Kendra, I'm sure there will be more stories...Oh Kendra, I'm sure there will be more stories. And I will do my best to respectfully share and keep everyone posted, as always.Cindy Brownhttp://www.everydayunderwear.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-837201606358940799.post-70352989247184582112012-04-19T21:15:01.639-05:002012-04-19T21:15:01.639-05:00Right on, sister! You have it right with that desc...Right on, sister! You have it right with that description of God. I think he has a heck of a sense of humor too. I have gone through quite a journey in my life, went to church, didn't care about church, wasn't a believer, wasn't sure if there was a God, etc. until I had my own experiences about 10 years ago that led me to be a true believer. I was lucky enough to have an awesome church before and I hope this one will be great too. I don't ever want to feel "forced" into going, that's for sure, and I was just about getting that way these past couple of years because our family just wasn't connecting at the churches here. We frequented what I would call a "dead" church. I liked the pastor and some of the people I went to church with there, but for the most part, I was bored to tears! This church promises to be full of excitement. I like that :o)Cindy Brownhttp://www.everydayunderwear.com/noreply@blogger.com